Repost: EAT DA POO POO

Tags: Pastor Dr Martin Ssempa, Uganda

I came across this post while blog surfing around Innit. The owner of the blog was asking people to visit his blog so that more people will know about this issue so i decided to do him a favor. And guess what, i landed on a anti-Christianity post. Full the usual rantings of how religion can lead you astray, religion is bad for humanity and we all must be communists to respect human rights (i might be exaggerating, but that is the general feeling i got from what he's writing and i'm just gonna copy his style and blast whatever i want without caring about what others might think). You might want to read his post first to understand what i'm talking about. Or you can try making out what i'm talking about if you're too lazy to go over to his blog.


Homosexuality and Religion.
One of the most talked about, most debated and most controversial topic ever found and is still currently raging on our dear planet Earth. On one side you have the religious people saying that homosexuality is wrong, against the nature and should be outlawed. On the other hand you have the homosexuals claiming that the act of homosexuality itself is prevalent in nature and we with religion are a bunch or overzealous bigots who infringe on the very basics of human rights by condemning them.

As a Christian myself (though not a very good one), i felt compelled to write something to defend Christianity from what he wrote in his blog. Try-lah. I do admit that sometimes, all these religious fellas give religion a bad name. No matter where you turn, you have these overzealous people using religion as a tool to forward the agendas. You have this Pastor Poo-Poo from Christianity, Mr Osama from Islam and host of other crazy people from other religions. 

And being humans, we always tend to overgeneralize. If one Muslim went and bomb a building, we will tend to think that all other Muslims enjoy bombing buildings too. Which is so not true. Though there might be few rotten apples in the basket, but there are also tons of other good apples that we failed to take notice of because of the few rotten ones. So please don't overgeneralize. It's a fallacy on itself.

Oh, well. One thing that i fink irking in his blog was the way the author tries to highlight that religion is nothing but human rights abuser. Especially in the case of homosexuality. Need i point out that not only people who have religion discriminate against homosexual, people who are atheists do too. Communist China too once passed a law prohibiting homosexual right and mind you, communist are anti-religion.

I think that the problem regarding all these discrimination against homosexuals do not just lie with religion itself. True, there are some verses in the bible that condemns homosexuality but there are also verses in the bible that ask us to love one another and not to judge. Though i may not view homosexuality as a natural act, i do not condemn them either. I view faith as an act between an individual and God. If that fella wanna be a gay Christian, go ahead for all i care. Because i believe that he, like me, have the ability to discern between what is acceptable and what is not. And there's the bible for him to read. As long as he don't come professing his love for me, i'm fine with that. Or else i would he would find himself in my blog like this guy:

Which is why i think the religion vs homosexuality issue is blown way out of proportion.
Oh well, for the time being, i'm having a very good time exchanging views with the blog's author. You can hop over to his blog to view the debate between us. Sometimes it amazes me how people claim that we do not see things from their viewpoint when they themselves are doing exactly the same.

Maybe the problem lies in both sides trying to convert each other and trying to impose their beliefs on the opposing side. Maybe this is how we humans are shaped. We would not sit still until people from the other side admit defeat and conform to our beliefs. That's sociology for you. We're just like fighting fishes don't you think? If we see people who are different than us, we'll just attack them without mercy. If that's the case, there's one brilliant solution to make our world a better place to live in.
Just keep the two sides away from each other.



Like they say, Ignorance is Bliss. If we don't know that the other side is doing, we won't try to force them to conform to our standards. Just let the both sides live in whatever way they want. Minus all the fighting, protesting and law changing etc.

P/s: (To be a little bit discriminating myself) However, i do doubt how long the homosexual community will hold out should we choose to separate them like that. Mind you, people in same sex marriages cannot reproduce naturally after all. Maybe through in-vitro fertilization?

Comments

  1. if you read the post on its own, you'll find that i did not overgeneralise anything (a fact which i've already demonstrated to you in a comment). i CLEARLY differentiated the ugandan christians from whatever sort of christian you happen to be, unless you're just another homophobic ass, of course. so, your post is libelous and you sir, is a liar.

    do you want more examples of libel on your part, sir? it is NOT an anti-christianity post. it is a direct criticism of the ministry of pastor martin ssempa and the fact that moderate christians don't give enough of a shit to do something about what one of their more extreme members are doing to humanity. you ably displayed this fact, lukey; you wrote a post criticising me rather than do any actualy thing to help the persecuted ugandan homosexuals.

    and which point did i "highlight that religion is nothing but human rights abuser"? more libel.

    i think you're obviously something less than a human being if you think that the fact uganda is looking to KILL homosexual people is an issue blown out of proportion".

    However, i do doubt how long the homosexual community will hold out should we choose to separate them like that.

    read a biology book sometimes. your ignorance is frightening. do you think heterosexual people do not produce homosexual children?

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  2. the fact that you saying "fact that moderate christians don't give enough of a shit to do something about what one of their more extreme members are doing to humanity" is a direct example of saying that we are a bunch of ignorant bigots ourselves. that is also an indirect way of labeling us responsible for the acts too. tell me, isn't this over-generalization?

    and mind u, i did not say the Ugandans trying to kill the homosexuals is an issue blown out of proportion. i said the whole religion vs homosexuality thing.

    the fact that u choose to just attack religion and only religion in ur post irks me. the way you choose to judge the whole issue from your own beliefs and viewpoint is what sociologist would call a ethnocentrism view. you yourself ask us not to judge, but u urself is committing that act right now. did u investigate why did the pastor poo poo tries to do that? the background of the society?

    and what are you doing yourself other than spreading more hate on ur blog? how possible would u think that the ugandan people will drop by ur blog, read it and change their mind?

    and now u wanna use biology against me. well, for ur info, homosexuality cannot be blamed directly on nature itself. it it was purely genetics, we would assume that identical twins would share the same sexual orientation if one is homosexual. sadly that is not the case and ur argument in ur blog that homosexuality is part of nature would prove invalid. environment too play a role.

    i'm not saying that what the Ugandan Christians are doing is good. but like i say, u choosing to blame religion only irks me. you too, happen to strike me as an ignorant person. if religion were as bad as you say they are from ur comment in ur blog, why it is so prevalent in our world? why has not secularization happen at a faster pace? why hasn't there been an outcry for religion to be banned for doing such harm to the world?

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  3. "fact that moderate christians don't give enough of a shit to do something about what one of their more extreme members are doing to humanity" is a direct example of saying that we are a bunch of ignorant bigots ourselves. that is also an indirect way of labeling us responsible for the acts too. tell me, isn't this over-generalization?

    this is overgeneralisation, but not from my side. how is that saying you are an ignorant bigot yourself? what i said was a statement of fact. the most vocal voices against the ugandan bill, you'll find, are not christian ones.

    and mind u, i did not say the Ugandans trying to kill the homosexuals is an issue blown out of proportion. i said the whole religion vs homosexuality thing.

    are you saying the ugandan problem is not part of the religion versus homosexuality issue? it is one of the worst expression of the issue to date and you're saying it's not?

    the fact that u choose to just attack religion and only religion in ur post irks me.

    it is NOT a post attacking christianity in general, you nitwit. if you want posts written by me which attacks religion, try digging in my archive. the post you're criticising now is about a christian ministry, led by a christian pastor, in a predominantly christian country justifying murder using christian scriptures and misinformation. if i don't criticise martin ssempa's "brand of christianity" (that's word for word how i referred to it) what should i criticise then? buddhism? notice that i also call martin ssempa and his gang "alleged christians" (word for word again). you are stubbornly trying to put words in my mouth which i did not say. this is LIBEL.

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  4. "and what are you doing yourself other than spreading more hate on ur blog?"

    no, i'm spreading public awareness of just how crazy religious people can be. and putting my voice out there in support of equal human rights.

    "and now u wanna use biology against me. well, for ur info, homosexuality cannot be blamed directly on nature itself."

    why, you can't win an argument against me unless you make claims about my beliefs that aren't true? i cited biological reasons, but if you've followed the link to my older post. i quote myself,

    "On the scientific front, they debate is still out in the field on whether homosexuality is a genetic trait or an environmentally influenced one (there are so many theories on the subject that listing them would eat up most of this article). That controversy is immaterial. If homosexuality is learnt in childhood, it's not their fault because they can't change what made them who they are in their formative years. If homosexuality is due to some hormonal or immunological factors while a child is still in his or her mother's womb, it's still how nature intended them to be."

    and i stick by my advice to you: read a biology book sometimes. biological and genetic factors only lay the groundworks. sometimes, environmental triggers are required to express biogenetical traits. medical research paper appraisal is part of my curriculum in med school, kid - and if you've actually read any twin studies on homosexuality or studies of birth order on sexual orientation, you'd make less ignorant statements. and let's not even talk about the confounding factors which might actually lead a homosexual twin to live a straight life due to societal pressure. your simple-minded assertion that "if gene plays a role, identical twin would both be homo" really displays how outclassed you are if you try to argue with me about this.

    "if religion were as bad as you say they are from ur comment in ur blog, why it is so prevalent in our world? why has not secularization happen at a faster pace? why hasn't there been an outcry for religion to be banned for doing such harm to the world?"

    with the advent of the internet, and how it is so much easier to battle dogma, misinformation and outright lies perpetrated by the religious on the masses, secularisation IS happenning in high gear. iceland just legalised gay marriage, catholics are leaving the RCC in droves due to the pedophilia scandals, atheist activism is at an all time high (just check ur nearest bookstore), secular student societies are mushrooming in campuses everywhere in the west, and the non-religious is recently identified as the fastest growing minority in the US; doubling in the last decade.

    i am just part of that outcry you haven't been listening to.

    P.S. i will not be returning here so feel free to make even more untrue claims about what i said, okay?

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  5. lol let's just give this issue a rest shan't we? all these arguing and getting the other person to agree with our views is gonna go nowhere. you have your views and i have mine. period.

    if u wanna go ahead and tell everyone that Christianity sucks, be my guest. i have to admit that i'm not very knowledgeable in this issue to since i don't study theology.

    anyways, nice chatting with you. lets do it again some other time :p

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